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October 28, 2006

While not much is actually happening on my projects, my mind remains engaged in the projects, and the plans become further developed as time goes by.

As I write this construction on my new shop is set to begin in about ten days and should be complete within 30 days. Living in a wet region and having no secure place to leave tools and other stuff has been part of my slowness. Maybe having a shop, a place that stays dry, can be locked, and can be lit at night, will facilitate my projects. Or at least that is the hope...

Since my projects really are intertwined somewhat, relying on the same parts cars or trucks, and requiring some things to move before others can be accessed, I've sorted through an order of precedence for the projects. I wanted to think through my resources and make sure I don't have things being used before they are available...

Based on my initial thinking the projects proceed in the following order:

Order Project Logic
1 Little Suede Truck I have all the major parts and can start without messing with anything else. And its for my wife, so its a priority project!
2 Dually This one should not be real difficult, the finished project should be very practical, and I'm eager to do it. The only missing major piece is the motor and transmission, and I've got a deal in place for those, just haven't collected them yet.
3 COE Sub This one may be out of order... But I have all the major parts and since its the most demanding project on my list so with the first two out of the way, it makes sense to get started. But I may push it behind the others because neither of the later projects are dependant on it.
4 OldSub The one that started it all, and the one I most want to get right, so I'll practice a bit before getting started. I've been buying sheet metal parts to repair the rust issues, and have been refining concept and finish ideas.
5 Parade Truck Simply truck, based on my '51 4100, '52 6400 and a '53 450 I haven't dragged home yet. I think I'll use the GMC 270 from the Suburban so it can't start until I being taking the OldSub apart.

2005 and 2006 haven't been good for my projects. 2007 should be a lot better. The only issues I see slowing me down are time and money, and though both remain real limitations neither should be any more of an issue than they have ever been.

When I last updated the plans I had decide to push the Suburban back, but do some derivability work on it. I've updated some of that a little.

Updating the ideas.... My next steps with the Suburban are to fix the heater and align the front end, and see if I can make it a bit nicer to drive.

Describing the projects in order this is what they look like.

Little Suede Truck

The Little Suede Truck is going to be a g-machine/pro-touring car. It remains at the top of my project list.

It will have the '78 Monte Carlo underpinnings. I'll lengthen the frame to support a standard short box. While at one time I though I'd build a custom box I've since rejected that idea, mostly because this is my wife's truck, and she wants a standard bed. I expect to run a 350/350 combo in this one. Other options have been on my list, but that is the quickest and most practical. I may change it at some later date.

Dually

The Dually will be Cadillac powered. Its based on a '50 1-ton recently added to my collection. Its missing a lot of pieces, but none I can't replace from my collection. I had originally thought this one would be an extended cab, but probably won't bother. Its a lot of work, and not really necessary at this time. Too many others have done it and I'm not as interested now that I've seen lots of others.

Behind the cab will be the big utility box to carry tools. I'll create bedsides under the box with standard fenders over the rear duals. This is a working truck and will need a big powerplant. Since I've found a Cadillac 500 and Turbo 400 that should be a strong approach. Gas prices had me considering Diesel for a while, but prices have fallen, I've started driving a car instead of a truck as my daily, and I'm not as worried about fuel economy, so there you have it.

COE Sub

I recently bought cheap a very rusty COE with much of the cab missing. It has the cowl, doors, fenders, hood and grill, all the COE specific stuff, and should get perfect for an ambitious custom project. My plan is to create a 4-door cab with Suburban type windows and the 1-ton panel cargo compartment behind the 2nd set of doors. This makes a long truck, but since the wheelbase of the motor home donor frame is 164 inches that's okay.

The proposed running gear donor is still the '79 (I thought it was '78, but was wrong) Chevrolet P30 chassis and associated stuff, including the 454/Turbo 475 all pulled out from the motor home.

Suburban

I'm liking Cadillac Northstar as the power plant. I've considered something crazy like mounting the Suburban on the front drive Cadillac platform but more likely I'll adapt the Northstar to an S-10 four wheel drive frame with Astro all-wheel-drive to create an all-weather Suburban.

I'm planning to repair the rust while mostly preserving the original look. The interior will be updated, perhaps in serious modern SUV fashion, but since that will cost a lot of money, we'll wait and see where it really ends up.

Parade Truck

I have two big Chevrolet trucks, a '51 4100 that is really rusty, a '52 6400 that was nice until my neighbor dropped a tree on it. I've also got a deal cooking on a '53 GMC 450. It has no motor or transmission but being a GMC I like it as the starting place for my parade truck. The idea is to build a drivable truck that looks original enough to call a classic, but can be safely driven in parades and in other public displays.

This is an updated table of specifics on the trucks.

Little Suede Truck

OldSub

Dually

COE Sub

Parade Truck

Primary Driver

Teri (probably Steve...)

Steve

Steve

Steve

Steve

Basic Concept

G-machine/travel car for general use locally, and runs to a car show.  Must be comfortable for Teri to drive, since after all, this is her truck! Maybe run in on the Hot Rod Power Tour or a similar event.

Light truck used for family trips of two hundred to six hundred miles.

Serious truck, with capability for heavier use such as pulling a loaded trailer at freeway speed because it might get used for iron retrieval trips hundreds of miles. Will mount my big utility box to provide tool boxes and a service truck look.

Heavy truck with major passenger capacity and the capability for heavier use even pulling a big loaded trailer. COE 4-door cab based on 1-ton panel body and Suburban side glass.

2-ton truck as stock as is practical and mostly used for carrying big stuff around local and then in parades the way a Parade Truck should be.

Basic Look

Original, lowered with stock bumpers.  Standard door handles and such. Suede paint.

Classic body built today.  Implies modern bumpers, smoothed doors, smoked glass, low as the driveway will allow.  Hidden gas cap.  Leave the gutters because we live in a rain forest.

Original 50 plus years of patina, NW rusted body held together with tape and bailing wire.

Serious custom with major body modifications to meld COE, panel and sub. A model few have ever seen or more accurately won't see till I build it...

Clean farm fresh truck.

Engine

Mild small block.

Cadillac Northstar 500 Cadillac 454 Chevy GMC 270

Transmission

Turbo 350*.  Lokar classic type floor shift.

Automatic (700R4) or maybe a T-5.

Turbo 400

Turbo 475 from motor home

SM 420 granny gear 4-speed

Front Suspension

g-body Subframe

S-10 pickup stuff or Cadillac Stuff.

3/4-ton pickup IFS with dually adapters

P30 IFS

Stock

Rear Suspension

g-body Subframe

S-10 pickup stuff.

Chev 14 bolt

P30 rear

Stock or Dana 70

Brakes

Disk/Drum or Disk/Disk

Disk/Drum

Disk/Drum

Disk/Drum

Stock Drum/Drum?

Wheels/Tires

The big slots I've been hanging onto for 20 some years...

Classic look: beauty rings, red paint and Chevy hub caps.

Era correct 1-ton dually wheels (modified) if I can score a set.

22.5 Alcoa?

Stock or 22.5 Alcoa

Steering

Power with tilt wheel and original steering wheel.

Power with Tilt and modern fat wheel. Or maybe classic wheel.

Power with Tilt and some wheel.

Power with Tilt and some wheel.

Stock

Electrical

12v with alternator sized for the need

High capacity 12v sized for stereo, power seats, windows, door locks… 

12v with Alternator sized for the need.

High capacity 12v sized for stereo, power seats, windows, door locks… 

12v generator

Comforts

Air conditioning, heater and defroster.

Air conditioning, heater and defroster, power windows, door locks, power mirrors.  Cruise control.  Rear heater/defrost.

Seats, heater and defrost.

Seats, heater and defrost. And industrial strength air.

Seats, heater and defrost.

Seating and Interior

Heated, power, leather seat from a Cadillac Sedan Deville.

Four leather buckets (power!).  Posh with everything upholstered and power everything.

Yes.

Seating for six or eight with a fold-out bed and storage.

Stock

Sound

AM/FM Stereo with CD Player

At least an AM radio…  Full stereo system with Cassette/CD, and should have separate front and rear audio.

At least an AM radio… 

At least an AM radio…  DVD and Computer.

Stock

Glass

Stock clear glass

Tinted glass in front, mini-van type windows on sides and back.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Dash Board

As stock as possible

Modern instruments in stock look dash panel.

Stock. Maybe just stock look...

Stock. Maybe just stock look...

Stock.

Controls

Updated stock type, maybe some column mounted.

Modern, column mounted.  Heater controls with the three dial approach.

Whatever

Whatever

Stock

Bumpers

Stock

Wrap around with modern look.

Big truck bumper from the 4400

Good question

Stock Front

Exterior Lights

Stock look with modern turn signals and side markers

Halogen and LED.

Halogen and LED and side, top and rear marker lights.

Halogen and LED and side, top and rear marker lights.

Stock

Time Frame

Summer 2007

Driver now, customization begins later...

2007 or 2008?

Future

Yeah

Donor Car?

’78 Chevy Monte Carlo.  Its mostly gone except for the parts I kept for this...

I need both an S-10 and a Cadillac.

'50 1-ton and the '51 4400

'79 Chevy P30 Motor home, '51 COE, '51 1-ton Panel, '52 Suburban

'51 4400, '52 6400, '53 450 and any other spare parts

Last updated: December 31, 2006

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